弱爆了的问一句,魔兽世界龙坐骑的飞行坐骑怎样...

弱弱的问一句。。。跨服可以拿脑残吼成就和坐骑么~_魔兽世界吧_百度贴吧
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弱弱的问一句。。。跨服可以拿脑残吼成就和坐骑么~收藏
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自古二楼出傻逼。
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请去 魔兽玩家吧
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你是要打副本还是屠城
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终于有天我长大了,一大早起来去买菜,我在家用地理知识测了今天的风速天气等,保证我不会被大风吹走后换衣服出门。到了菜市场我跟卖菜的大妈说:汝可有青菜否?大妈说:你说啥,说清楚点。我说:Can you sell some qing cai to me?大妈说:你他妈给我说人话。我说:就是那些由植物细胞组成的,里面有叶绿体线粒体高尔基体核糖体内质网液泡等等的东西啊。大妈恼了:你他妈来捣乱的吧。说完给了我一巴掌。我很生气的说:南京大屠杀告诉我们做人不可以这样,不能那么残忍动不动就动手打人,如果每个人都像你这样,就会像曾经第二次世界大战那样……我还没说完大妈又给了我一巴掌!…好不容易大妈知道了我要买青菜,我好心的说:大妈我帮你用函数关系式算一下。说完我拿出随身携带的笔和纸算了起来。几分钟后我大妈已经将青菜装进黑袋子,我兴奋的跟大妈说:大妈我算出来了我只用付您5块钱!大妈抬手又给了我一巴掌:操你妈你买了那么多青菜5块钱想赖账吗!!……经过一番激烈的…被打。我乖乖的付了足够的钱,转身就要走,突然想起了什么,回头问大妈:大妈你这个塑料袋是什么做的啊,会不会和青菜发生化学反应,那些化学反应的方程式您可以写给我吗?……后来我被路人打电话叫来的警察局的人带走了。警察问我:年龄。我说:18。医生问:职业?我说:学霸!呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵呵。
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[quote][pid=]Reply[/pid] [b]Post by Cooyiqiu ( 11:26):[/b]lz这么说本来就是个错误,于是一群人就纠结到这方面不放?归根到底你们还不过是想喷。只要想喷,可以无视任何一段能够探讨下去的言语。至少在我看来,lz说的都是几个让wow可玩性降低的因素,lz说的话不全对,但是反驳的有几个指出不对之处并提出自己的意见?清一色嘲讽挖苦。游戏里面宣传?毫无疑问综合里面那么多代刷能有几个人看到,一个FWQ能有多少人?所以还是NGA上宣传比较好实际至少玩的和不玩的都会偶尔来看看。如果你认为lz码了那么多字并且回复那么多人这一系列的行为一点实际行动都不算,那我也无话可说。对了,不知道这..[/quote]如果你认为光在论坛里回复就能算实际行动的话,那么看来我们理解完全不同。一个服务器是没多少,几千而已,你们不是有很多人支持吗,难道都是一个服务器的??全加起来会比议事厅少??另外,说我们没提意见,那只能说你根本就没看过帖子,而且楼主对反对的意见要么不回复,回复也是清一色现实、游戏噼里啪啦的一堆话;[color=crimson]游戏怎么改都有人不喜欢,既然你们不喜欢飞行、随机等等,完全可以不用也没人逼你们用,非要绑架其他喜欢的人玩法?[/color]
[color=sienna][b]我只想问一句呢。。难道现在的魔兽世界是假的吗?[/b][/color]
[quote][pid=]Reply[/pid] [b]Post by Cooyiqiu ( 11:26):[/b]lz这么说本来就是个错误,于是一群人就纠结到这方面不放?归根到底你们还不过是想喷。只要想喷,可以无视任何一段能够探讨下去的言语。至少在我看来,lz说的都是几个让wow可玩性降低的因素,lz说的话不全对,但是反驳的有几个指出不对之处并提出自己的意见?清一色嘲讽挖苦。游戏里面宣传?毫无疑问综合里面那么多代刷能有几个人看到,一个FWQ能有多少人?所以还是NGA上宣传比较好实际至少玩的和不玩的都会偶尔来看看。如果你认为lz码了那么多字并且回复那么多人这一系列的行为一点实际行动都不算,那我也无话可说。对了,不知道这算不算触犯规定。feenix魔兽60时代,貌似是官方私服,原汁原味,虽然仍然有bug,但总体还是不错的。看到的朋友有兴趣的可以去看看~ [/quote]首先,LZ的例子只是程度比较重了,理论上并不是不恰当我前面就说了,LZ这种人只想着如果按他的想法,可以怎样,从来不去想还会产生哪些副作用取消随即副本,鬼服的人怎么活?根本组不到人,人数还算正常的服务器也可能因为组不到治疗,组不到T而散伙。很多新玩家根本没人带,当年强力党横行的年代忘记了?没有随机的话,低等级副本就几乎没有存在的必要,一个副本等级相适应的玩家一个服务器有几个?取消飞行坐骑,更是毫无理由。为什么取消?野外PVP?拖把,火源那边随便你杀,人还多。想团战2个多小时就有一次拖把攻防。神马欣赏不了风景更是脑残到极点的理由。我在天上看全景没你在地上看的舒服?咱们就不扯现实的例子,就说游戏里,在60年代没有飞行坐骑的时候,你问LZ他去副本是在飞行点坐鸟飞还是骑着马跑半个地图?减少升级任务数量,增加任务难度。到时候又有人说任务太少太快餐了。任务难度?除了开新资料片野外还有几个人?你以为当初为什么饥饿者杜恩、3猎任务的精英怪都改成了普通怪?任务难度大了不是哪个新人都会放个风筝什么的,要组队又组不到人,人家跳过任务,又要取消随即副本,你让人家无限打野怪升级?你当是传奇啊?
[b]Reply to [pid=]Reply[/pid] Post by Cooyiqiu ( 10:59)[/b]好,我就再说点实质性的东西,魔兽游戏方式对新人很不友好,即使便当化了这个问题依旧明显,一个网游消失就是因为没有新鲜血液的加入,常时间的任务和复杂的职业操作以及现在浮躁的人心都阻碍了新人的发展,魔兽带给他们的不是快乐,而是一种煎熬,最明显的小号随机,你新人敢排t?排奶?新人知道随机?一个怪拉不好你看传家宝喷不死你,要么t要么自己滚,既然如此,没有了新人,就算所有老人同意你的观点有何意义?多少人已经出于半a状态,这周状态不是因为游戏无聊了,而是因为生活上有更重要的的事,远大于一个游戏,afk乃至never
back是必然,那么你取消随机飞机拉不来新人真能挽救这个游戏?笑话。
来,撸主,上个英雄榜,看看你打过随机本没,学了飞行没,做了多少任务
就说一条,取消随机副本,新人更难打本,更多的鬼服产生;取消飞行坐骑,产生更多的单阵营鬼服。PPPPPPPPPPVPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPVPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPVPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPVPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPVPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPVPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPVPPPPPPPPPVPPPPPVPPVV
[quote][pid=]Reply[/pid] [b]Post by kris_123 ( 21:51):[/b]两个星期过门神的后的激动心情肯定是你现在体会不到的,要是那时你玩的是现在这个快餐版本,你也早就离开wow了,wow对你和其他游戏并没有什么区别,不知我说的对不对。假如你一出生你父母就给你两千万让你花,和你自己辛苦努力挣到两千万,你对这两千万的心情和意义也是不一样的,是吗。暴雪给你的便利越多,你在这个游戏里所得到的体验就越少,以前你花10倍的时间能得到100倍的快乐,现在你花1倍的时间只能得到0.1倍的快乐,何况快乐有时候是用多少时间和金钱也难买到的东西。[/quote]楼主,想体验两个星期过门神的后的激动心情你现在依然可以体验,前提是你要组上39个愿意跟你只穿旧大陆三大副本的蓝装,只旧大陆附魔的,练到60不再升级的傻B,然后你们可以试一下,不骗你哦.[color=red][size=150%]你打还是不打,MC还是在那里[/size].[/color]另外,如果我一出生我就有了2千万,我现在就是喝着红酒抱着美女吹牛B,而不是做着IT民工起早摸黑活得比狗还累.你说那个快乐?你非要自虐那我没话说.
取消随机?那你就等着半天喊不到一个t吧!你以为t的手法怎么练出来的?只有亲自拉怪抗怪才能练,远不像dps对着个木桩撸啊撸就撸出来,没有随机本你让他们去哪练?那还怎么补充t的数量
[@kris_123]跟这位比,你就是战斗力不足5的货.[quote][tid=5373614]Topic[/pid] [b]Post by Suracy ( 08:02):[/b]& [url=http://bbs.ngacn.cc/read.php?tid=5373614]真·老玩家带您深入探究“到底是CATA毁了WOW,还是螃蟹成了WOW必然衰败的替罪羊?”[/url]曾几何时,我也曾偏向暴黑,我也曾愤青中二过,直到……老玩家A:飞行坐骑、韧性、随机本、10人团毁了WOW!而CTM是WOW史上最失败的版本!螃蟹必须死!还我真正的魔兽世界!我:楼主威武!!!楼主荡漾!!!楼主求交往!!!老玩家B:飞行坐骑、韧性、随机本、10人团毁了WOW!而CTM是WOW史上最失败的版本!螃蟹必须死!还我真正的魔兽世界!我:骂得好,骂得对,骂得酣畅淋漓!要让他们知道我们玩家不是好糊弄的!老玩家C:飞行坐骑、韧性、随机本、10人团毁了WOW!而CTM是WOW史上最失败的版本!螃蟹必须死!还我真正的魔兽世界!我:双手赞成,感同身受!老玩家D:飞行坐骑、韧性、随机本、10人团毁了WOW!而CTM是WOW史上最失败的版本!螃蟹必须死!还我真正的魔兽世界!我:说得好,但这毫无意义!老玩家E:飞行坐骑、韧性、随机本、10人团毁了WOW!而CTM是WOW史上最失败的版本!螃蟹必须死!还我真正的魔兽世界!我:你老在这里抱怨,暴雪也看不到啊!老玩家F:飞行坐骑、韧性、随机本、10人团毁了WOW!而CTM是WOW史上最失败的版本!螃蟹必须死!还我真正的魔兽世界!我:我看了一下发帖日期,你怎么又来了?刷存在感么?老玩家G:飞行坐骑、韧性、随机本、10人团毁了WOW!而CTM是WOW史上最失败的版本!螃蟹必须死!还我真正的魔兽世界!我:你TM到底烦不烦啊?老玩家H:飞行坐骑、韧性、随机本、10人团毁了WOW!而CTM是WOW史上最失败的版本!螃蟹必须死!还我真正的魔兽世界!我:(其实仔细想想BLZ已经考虑了很多东西,实现了玩家很多的要求了……)老玩家I:飞行坐骑、韧性、随机本、10人团毁了WOW!而CTM是WOW史上最失败的版本!螃蟹必须死!还我真正的魔兽世界!我:尼玛的,从今天开始我就是BLZ的脑残粉了!老玩家J:飞行坐骑、韧性、随机本、10人团毁了WOW!而CTM是WOW史上最失败的版本!螃蟹必须死!还我真正的魔兽世界!我:根本不是你想的那样……BLABLABLA……哎,这人啊,以怀念起过去来就只记得当时的好,并且对未来总有无止境的要求……上了小学还想上再一遍幼儿园,上了中学还想再上一遍小学,上了大学还想再上一遍中学,上了班还想在上一遍大学,上了老婆还想再上一遍情人,上了情人还想再上一遍初恋,该上的不该上得都上完了又开始怀念起每天放学花一块钱买干脆面凑卡片,为了一个人傻等数年的纯真年华,却从来不知道珍惜现在……在这个玩家言论可以主导游戏生死的时代,游戏的内容总是会被跳出各种弊病,在夜观星象、占卜算卦、计算风水、分析局势,然后又研究了德才、鬼神、阴阳、五行貌似都没发现问题之后,仿佛错的一切都与玩家无关,这时容易成为玩家人数下降的替罪羊的无非就是设计师以及任何新系统甚至新剧情。比如说如果没有飞行坐骑,野外PVP也不会消亡,玩家也不会失去探索世界的热情;再比如说如果没有韧性,弱势职业就可以靠先手和运气秒杀强势职业,单PVP玩家也不会失去对副本的兴趣,单PVE玩家也会经常光顾战场;又比如说如果没有随机本、没有10人团的兴起,也不会找不到朋友、公会的集体感也不会没落,原来并肩的战友也不会各走一方;或者比如如果蛋蛋,小阿没有死,也不会有这些让他们那些War 3玩家感到违和的剧情;还比如说如果没有螃蟹,法师也不会被日常,术士也不会变成钢琴手,圣骑也不会杀了不该杀的人,小德也不会卖萌,萨满也不会是精神领袖,战士也不会与信仰为伴,盗贼也不会变成强盗,猎人也不会变成弓箭手,死骑也不会ninjia本不是设计给他的武器,牧师更不会只是个球……但历史没有如果,很少人考虑过也许即使没有飞鸟玩家也会想办法站上屋顶变成鸟人,即使没有韧性也会有什么“刚性”来抑制爆发单控职业在PVP中一家独大,即使没有随机本,熟悉的人也未必还在线,即使10人团不兴起25人团也未必能继续繁荣,即使没有螃蟹说不定也会有“龙虾”之类做出什么更加伤天害理的事情来,真正喜欢WarIII剧情的玩家难道一点都没研究过蛋蛋和小阿他们原来共同的主子以前还在这大陆上做过什么事,被什么人阻止过?真正喜欢WOW的老玩家在推黑龙MM和黑龙GG的时候从没对它们共同的爹产生过好奇?如果你的答案依然是NO,我只能说你还不配被称为真正的WOWER……就算来个“乌贼”来满足你们那些看似合理的要求,那玩家就会因为游戏的改变重回校园而不用上班养家糊口吗?其他的游戏厂商就会因为WOW的繁荣而不尝试着从网游这块大蛋糕中分一杯羹吗?以前每次有人在14T发帖感叹说:“啊!现在还有TBC的老玩家吗?”的时候,无数自称经历过60级甚至公测的人纷纷上钩。可我现在在游戏里问一句T2.5在哪里换,没人知道也就算了。连我问伊利丹和阿尔萨斯为什么要变坏,别人也只是轻描淡写地说一句:“听说是红颜祸水……”于此我也不知道有多少说自己琢磨透了这个游戏的人是真的没事干的,也许正是因为他们从来没重游过旧世界,才觉得这个游戏没有新人吧?比暴雪聪明的老玩家总有一个通病:老拿过去好的东西对比现在不好的东西,并主观地放大。45封顶的年代我也没经历过,不发表评论了;60年代我是BWL刚开之后看了零界FD奈法的视频被吸引过来的,我第一个号是圣骑士,因为看这名字觉得很牛掰!哪知练级好辛苦,在看到身边的盗贼才是真男人之后,毅然决定选这个可以绕过不想打的怪的职业,不过依然是打几只怪就要坐地板的节奏……啊,居然有拍卖行,垃圾大叔我恨你,把我砸给你的材料吐出来……四十多级了还在徒步走,下一次ZR都被人鄙视……5555555,又被人守尸了,杀小号的我恨你……前面有大山,有大海,跑了半天绕不过去,要是能飞多好哇……好不容易满级了,可身上还有好多40+的装备没换掉……我来XLSS,提尔之手打点钱容易吗?老被人追着敢情你们是不缺钱啊……黑上黑下,斯坦通灵尼玛一刷刷半天,刷吐了有木有,啥时候才能毕业啊……又是替补?哎,没办法,这年头有团能收留就不错了……无语,副本门口又杀起来了,世界buff和药水都白弄了……MT好辛苦,卖卡修装备不说,每天都开荒到深夜,哪个CD让他去输出,比放五一还开心(哦,那些年五一还是休七天的)……40人团好难管,而且好多人都是出工不出力……非常牛逼非常娴熟的职业玩家好搞笑好搞笑……MING就是个喷子!正常TBC:凭啥我以前辛苦拿到的紫装还没这些绿装好呀?BLZ我艹你大爷的……有没有搞错,还得先刷副本把声望刷到尊敬,再交任务勉强到崇敬,下个五人本都要钥匙了你怎么不进旅店也要啊……大鸟5000 G,这是要逼我卖肾么……好不容易进英雄本了,小怪的攻击力你要不要这么假?难怪盗贼把闪避堆高了都能当T……法伤骑、大屁股都去抗怪了,谁知道战士输出用什么天赋么……我最喜欢KLZ象棋了,就这个BOSS几乎没有灭点……10人本才两个?想想60级的生活还是比较充实嘛!25人团?原来的公会因为这个都分家了,少15个人通宵总觉得没激情……还有艹蛋的飞行,野外PVP的激情不再……苍天哥就是个SB!MING更是个大SB!3.0+3.13:我最痛恨刚玩的人老说WOW的BOSS没挑战性了,你用比以前高一倍的伤害打不到以前七成血的BOSS当然没挑战性喽!想当年我们BLABLABLA……现在新人态度真差,背着个血色的盾牌就来英雄本了,ZAM毕业了也没见到附魔、宝石的影子,还说别人爱怎么玩怎么玩,我看放以前别人怎么带你玩……躺尸老板给点力啊,现在装备都拿差不多了,你怎么还一上来就躺尸啊?S4装逼肩膀入手,可是PVP还是秒来秒去,真心没意思……最不能接受的是,时不时地还要我回去刷些低级装备,BLZ你多设计几个高级的替代品是不是能累死啊?G团真是快餐的圣地啊,将来会毁了WOW的!某人又来卖萌了……3.2:这还是当年那个即使全通一周也不一定能farm掉得NAXX吗?5H太简单了把?还是以前羊星星,闷大饼,打断,跑位有意思……ULD你要不要这么长?做了这么多BOSS你就不能把副本分开吗?听说巫妖王每分钟都要来十字军捅一次地板,难怪TOC你要不要这么简陋……装备更新你要不要这么慢?旗帜、深渊要用一辈子么?3.3:仔细想一想,其实TOC的音乐还是很震撼的,50箱的挑战也比现在更激动人心。有点怀念起一周车四遍TOC的日子了,痛并快乐着还认识了不少朋友……韧性真JB扯淡,PVP都是是耗来耗去,真心没激情……旧世界任务模式太落后太无聊,有些还不能一个人做,练小号只能去随机了……天赋好复杂啊,每个都想要,洗来洗去真JB麻烦……装备无用属性太多了,能自己DIY就好了。有些职业因为缺少团队buff而失去副本的地位,这不公平啊!仔细想想天哥的这种游戏精神倒是值得推崇嘛!回想MING虽然嘴欠,但为自己的职业做出的贡献确实无人能及。4.03:天赋太简化了吧?一点创意的空间都不留!不好好做满级内容,重置尼玛的旧世界啊,还不用组队,多少经典的回忆从此消失!上来就能飞,新地图的神秘感一下子就没了……大家都有各种团队buff了,这职业还有啥特色啊?5H你这是要逆天啊?啥年代了还要我们羊星星,闷大饼,打断,跑位有意思么?我要去G团,我要当快餐!什么,没有?4.1:我的老虎和龙啊……为了下个版本就淘汰的装备还值得这样累死累活的开荒么?版本更新你不要这么快呀!公会里的人怎么都去混野团了?我们不是“一家人”吗?重铸太影响玩家打本的积极性了。副本装来下毛战场啊?4.2:巨魔本好单调的说,好久没再体会过以前H死矿、H格瑞姆巴托,新Zug老一的心跳感了……怎么就加了一个FL啊?上个版本好歹还有三大本呢!红红火火的看得眼睛好疼,H螺丝看不到希望啊看不到希望……没有G团,没有躺尸老板,生活索然无味呀!我开始怀念副本党了,现在下战场的好多都不到十万血……4.3:新三本你好敷衍啊!之翼君你这点“三皮四爪”的功夫还想毁灭世界简直笑死人了,也不看看你基友拉格纳罗斯的战斗那才叫史诗呢!还是4.1的团队副本有意思啊,控场、打断、跑位、转火、省蓝缺一不可,哪像现在这般无脑?这位兄弟你买蓝色韧装来随机害人也就算了,好歹一板甲职业居然还买一身布甲,抠城啥样了,任务的蓝绿呢?啥?旋云猎、刷布德那毕业的?国足多远你滚多远……还是以前刷牌子有意思额,现在征服勇气混混就毕业了,啥也不想做……最不能接受的是,低级副本完全废掉,BLZ你多设计几个低级的级品是不是能累死啊?装备更新你要不要这么快?我现在连橙匕橙杖的全称都叫不出来了……我最讨厌KLZ的象棋了,就这个BOSS单刷还要看运气……随机团队代roll、互roll,乱roll,对骂,70%不分团会毁了WOW的……我又开始怀念十万党了,现在的人六万血不到就敢来战场了……职业玩家我好想你啊!5.0:好好地正史剧情不发展瞎搞什么番外啊?我怎么又来当远征军了?我要回艾泽拉斯!BLZ你大爷的搞什么勇气升级装备逼我一直刷也就算了,什么年代了还像现在这样100+60+50+30+5的节奏让我刷到什么时候去?RPG轰大鸟轰你妹啊,我才没时间跟野外那些无聊的人多做纠缠呢!我的小号怎么办?509的关底饰品被476暗月卡片碾压是想闹哪样?还要我像当年一样旗帜、深渊用一辈子?饰品全是一个效果,套装全是一种特效,BLZ你要不要这么偷懒啊?黑市卖装备是个什么情况?以前挺休闲的,现在又逼我上线打钱么?WOW不是脑残游戏!宠物对战、种菜农场滚出去!随机团队自动分配后,也可以像随机五人本那样不说一句话了……MING我也好想你啊!10.0:“听说你还在玩WOW?”“是啊,三亿钢琴家的梦想啊!”“那你现在多少装等了?”“额,我只记得帽子+3的,项链+6的,肩膀+4的,武器是粉钻的……装等这东西,早就记不清了……靠!”“怎么了?”“又被那个叫‘秦尔梓’的用紫钻魔杖biu爆头了……”“囧,又抄我大CF……”你们看,每个版本都有各种各样的问题,但惟独CTM遭到了空前的指责,但看烦了各种抱怨后,人们又开始反思究竟是玩家对游戏的不满造成了人数的下降,还是因为其他原因引发的人数下降造成了玩家的不满?比如法师在PVP中最强大的技能其实是短CD又低蓝耗还无需指定目标的“闪现”,所以才会有“一代补丁一代神,代代补丁出法神”的情况,但一般玩家看到自己是被深结+冰枪带走的,于是对BIU进行了大肆的日常。而再从对奥法和痛苦术的误解上也能看出其实很多人都是无脑跟风在黑的。5.0测试服里,术士、战士强了他们说绝对活不到正式版本,法师、武僧强了他们说认对了亲爹(削弱了他们说这是粑粑的苦肉计),盗贼、死骑砍了他们却又说这才是罪有应得……像这样从来不去自己弄清楚状况的人真的是活该做一辈子日常……于是我们不禁要问,在唱衰WOW的人群中,有多少人是自己真正胸怀悲愤地在控诉,又有多少人是一边享受着各种便利,成全各种快餐,一边跟风刷存在感呢?WOW曾经的成功不是所谓的平衡不平衡,而是史诗的游戏代入感以及自由复杂的乐趣性,而与此同时也早就了一大批挑剔的玩家:没飞行坐骑时老抱怨野外被人守尸,有了飞行坐骑又抱怨毁了野外PVP;全民迷彩时老抱怨玩家装备差距太大,全民紫装人时又抱怨没办法装13;装备没韧性时老抱怨各种被一波带走,装备有韧性时又抱怨杀人没激情;1V1相对平衡时老抱怨JJC组合太死板,NVN相对平衡时有抱怨插旗总被人虐;副本难的时候老抱怨不亲民,便当了又抱怨没挑战性;没牌子、点数时老抱怨RL手太黑,有点数了又抱怨初中级装备毕业太快;旧世界重做前你们抱怨流线太老,重做后又抱怨经典的回忆都失去了;TBC、WLK各种刷各种低级本不能放过时老抱怨太累,CTM想让你干点别的又抱怨没事做;随机本出来前总抱怨新人组不到队伍,随机本出来后又抱怨新人找不到朋友;新三、随机DS刚出时老抱怨太简单,最近“叮”上来的人一多又抱怨灭得生活不能自理;WLK的英雄本你们抱怨太无脑,CTM的旧5H稍微有点花花就抱怨太臭长;TBC、WLK初期属性膨胀不厉害时老抱怨身上旧版本的装备换不掉,CTM、MOP让你当BOSS了有抱怨旧版本的努力都白费了;一个日常8 G时老抱怨大鸟骑术学不起,群体拾取一开又抱怨手里的钱都要贬值了;BLZ做出一个经典的KLZ、ULD你们嫌难不玩,整一个猪圈般得TOC、DS你们又刷得飞起,作为一个商人,试问你们有什么资格要求我好好做副本?团队本还是40人的时候总抱怨人太多了,水平参差不齐,谁划水都不知道,管不过来,后来缩成25人时又抱怨装备竞争压力大,机子跑不动,某团横行,等主流团队变10人了出了就是你的了的时候又抱怨不好带新人,没有某团打,没有集体的感觉……有人抱怨说我玩了这么多年的WOW发现我TM的居然被骗了!那BLZ呢?现在的一切很多都是你们要求的,BLZ抱怨过被玩家骗了么?WOW其实在WLK后期RS开放之后就在走下坡路了,1200 W的巅峰是出现在CTM刚开大家还对未来充满期待的时候……你想要史诗的副本,你用刷TOC的人数去回报ULD啊!你不想骑鸟,没人逼你骑马啊!想打25人本,你们怎么就凑不到一块呢?想有挑战性,你们怎么不点掉debuff呢?野外那么好,也没人逼你呆在主城啊!真那么痛恨快餐的话,就别去X团打工,就别去代刷副本,就别去卖蓝色韧装啊!什么团队大感情深深你妹啊!真要那么深还会因为红龙打不过,AL分不清而散伙?会因为鸡蛋掉得弓是橙色的就跟猎人抢?会因为一个提升被神化夸大的意志欺骗多年的队友说“借我爽一下,待会还你”?会做出橙匕后就退会转服?跟与你现实中没有责任关系的人谈感情未免太过天真了吧?BLZ给你们更多的选择,大多数玩家也明确地做出了选择啊!想休闲又想有挑战;想秒别人又不想被别人秒;想史诗又不想清小怪;想方便又想有RP精神。其实你想当教主吧?“爱玩玩,不玩滚”这话我不想说。可那些说要打败WOW的网游,或有着更精美的画面、更华丽的招式、更漂亮的人设、更丰富的副本、更自由的野外、更复杂的系统、更健全的市场,更宏大的世界,更曲折的剧情,更神奇的设定,更有观赏性的战斗,但为什么后来都失败了?因为他们都在获得初步肯定并制造一定反响后,安于现状,不思进取,也不主动寻求改变,每次版本更新都畏手畏脚,正如“老玩家”们所愿,就只是新加了些动作,音乐,贴图,模型而已,玩家很快就产生了审美疲劳,游戏也逐渐被历史遗忘和淘汰……为什么从TBC开始就有人诅咒WOW快点死,从CATA就有人说这是WOW的最后一个版本,可现在大家依然还在期待MOP,期待着老大口中比MOP更棒的6.0?呼呼,也许,鱼别丢的故事其实一直都在发生着,并且将继续的发生下去。但是它能够感染的人,却终将消失殆尽。5年前可以感动无数人的事情,5年之后,也许就无人问津。那时,或许会有新的事情,成为人们的谈资。正如我们一年前还在周周在宝库抽奖,如今却天天在抱怨拖把的运气一样。铜须门在过去是轰动一时的大事件,但现在,或许两个男人的基情会引起更大的惊叫。为什么有人总愿意怀念过去?那是因为自己的观点思想和过去契合,而和现在格格不入。那些喜欢当拯救队伍的英雄的,喜欢做独树一帜的职业任务的,喜欢在铁炉堡炫耀自己的T0或者T0.5的,喜欢在希利苏斯背沙子顺便玩玩PK的,他们会怀念过去;那些喜欢骑在烤鱼片上秀着一身8T6的,喜欢在沙塔斯大叫强力党的,喜欢XX不分的,他们也会怀念过去。也许到未来的某个时刻,会有人开始回忆这个充满了坑爹boss和蛋疼日常的大灾变的。不,不是也许,而是一定,无论如何这可能是我们最后一次奋战在艾泽拉斯了。但是,有些东西,过去就是过去了,不可能重现。因为——那些和我们拥有共同记忆,共同思想的人们,他们长大了,变老了,不再是魔兽世界中的主流了。因为——我们也长大了,变老了。仍旧沉浸在回忆之中的人们,或者将记忆封印在某个时刻,然后完全的离开,或者在熙熙攘攘的暴风城中默不作声,或者像我一样,尝试着,尝试着改变自己的思想,尝试着不被时间变老。诚然,WOW的许多弊端和让人诟病的改动失去了很多老玩家的支持,但也正是这些你们看不起的地方满足了其他受众的需求,7年的游戏不可能只是靠死忠才走到现状,不管你们信不信,没有了那些“毁了WOW”的东西,说不定现在魔兽早就死了,让你们每次上线感叹“怎么老是这几个人,没劲”知道最后连来论坛上抱怨的机会都没有。而这些新鲜的血液,你们称他们小白也好,快餐也行,混子也罢,但你仔细回忆自己的过去,当你第一次踏入死矿或哀嚎时就知道该怎样打本吗?我的小号战士曾今在随机本里看到一个任务装的小骑士,一路都在试图与队友聊天,没怎么输出,结果队友非但没怎么理他,二话不说很快就把他T了,这还只是在40多级的小副本里……其实我看很多人第一次进团队本都不知道怎么点天赋吧?以前,老玩家还肯教一教新手,现在直接T掉完事……30% debuff的PT DS 370装等就够通了吧?但现在即使是速通喊人也从390起步,135H已经直逼400了,这就是为啥即使是便当的版本对新人仍旧不友好,这就不是游戏的错了,确确实实是人心的浮躁!虽然这种浮躁让你们G团有了老板,让战场有了畅快的击杀,让一些人有了秀优越的资本。但这种浮躁,并不能帮助大多数在一向细心的BLZ于4.3推出紫色宝石又不buff珠宝收益的情况下,成为那为了几十点属性洗锻造并且全身紫色宝石的“核心玩家”,暴雪正是看到了这一点终于决定了MOP的定位走向休闲化,这也是你们自己选择的结果。也正是你们的选择造成了古王国与海底剧情的烂尾以及死亡之翼的草草退场!CTM虽然因为版本初期定位失误,中后期又矫枉过正并没能及时更大幅度地削弱旧版本的副本,导致新人发育畸形,老鸟又无事可做的尴尬局面(至于什么职业同化、天赋简化、装备标准化、公会BUFF机化,进度合并化,剧情流线化,随机依赖化、侧重失误化我认为根本不是什么大问题)。但其改革的精神依然值得肯定。而MOP的众多改变又是另一次对玩家需求取向的摸底调查。我相信只要这种不惧失败,用于创新的精神不会磨灭,就远远还没到赚最后一票走人的独步,而这也能帮助这个游戏最终创造新的辉煌!我学会了淘宝体,我学会了插科打诨,我学会了制衡策略,我在慢慢的发生着变化,却依然追逐不上魔兽世界中人们的步伐。过去我们可以在通灵学院里杀一个夜晚,在玛拉顿的迷宫中消磨下午时光,现在却会因为一次灭团而暴跳如雷,谩骂不休。游戏的节奏,愈发的紧促。两年前打H咪咪龙的时候,P2的机关枪扫射让我气喘如牛却无比亢奋;如今面对H督军这样的强敌,手指的速度比以前更快更灵活,心却平静如水。我不知道这是进步还是退步。我在努力,追赶这个世界的脚步。因为这一刻我依然确定,我还爱着它。別的不想再多說,我只希望魔獸世界這個遊戲能繼續精彩下去,每次改動都會被玩家噴,其實等到玩上了就會發現,BLZ的每次改動都是有周全考慮的,這一點永遠是WOW的生命動力的源泉!!!但那些只會抱怨表象的人永遠不會承認…… [/quote]
看来快餐玩家和不喜欢快餐的玩家分歧越来越重啊。期待MOP 暴雪如何将2边都安抚下,4.0明显2边都想安抚,结果2边都没安抚到。。。
[quote][pid=]Reply[/pid] [b]Post by amostalong ( 15:37):[/b]看来快餐玩家和不喜欢快餐的玩家分歧越来越重啊。期待MOP 暴雪如何将2边都安抚下,4.0明显2边都想安抚,结果2边都没安抚到。。。[/quote]请问您对快餐玩家的定义是什么
[quote][pid=]Reply[/pid] [b]Post by 阿巴特 ( 15:42):[/b]请问您对快餐玩家的定义是什么[/quote] [s:28] 顺我者有思想反我者快餐党……
[quote][pid=]Reply[/pid] [b]Post by amostalong ( 15:37):[/b]看来快餐玩家和不喜欢快餐的玩家分歧越来越重啊。期待MOP 暴雪如何将2边都安抚下,4.0明显2边都想安抚,结果2边都没安抚到。。。[/quote]一个想玩PVP,却懒得收集PVP装备,想用PVE装备通吃的人,是不是符合你快餐玩家的定义?
[quote][pid=]Reply[/pid] [b]Post by 西恩威廉斯科特 ( 16:18):[/b]一个想玩PVP,却懒得收集PVP装备,想用PVE装备通吃的人,是不是符合你快餐玩家的定义?[/quote]good job
[quote][pid=]Reply[/pid] [b]Post by 西恩威廉斯科特 ( 11:38):[/b]如果你认为光在论坛里回复就能算实际行动的话,那么看来我们理解完全不同。一个服务器是没多少,几千而已,你们不是有很多人支持吗,难道都是一个服务器的??全加起来会比议事厅少??另外,说我们没提意见,那只能说你根本就没看过帖子,而且楼主对反对的意见要么不回复,回复也是清一色现实、游戏噼里啪啦的一堆话;[color=crimson]游戏怎么改都有人不喜欢,既然你们不喜欢飞行、随机等等,完全可以不用也没人逼你们用,非要绑架其他喜欢的人玩法?[/color][/quote]无聊之极。网络游戏必然要更新版本,不断变化,每次更新必然有这种人被“绑架”。你既然玩网络游戏,你就选择了被绑架,不喜欢被绑架的可以去玩单机,永远保持着现状。
&please return my real world of Warcraft, strongly urged the blizzard cancels the random dungeon, flying mounts, reduce the escalating number of tasks. [ this post recruitment of English translation volunteers, synchronized to serve the United States official forumThe new summary, the understanding about fast food:Since the post, received numerous game player 's reply, I have seen every response, whether have what kind of view, one thing we all agreed, it is the devil beast is more and more fast food, someone to love, someone against.I always take the devil beast as a society, so I often put the social reality with Warcraft to contrast, is system, system determines the social ethos, rather than the individual in society, many people say that the game player changed, so the devil beast was changed, I want to say this to reverse it reasonable.Therefore, in this paper the arguments for and against the two view, basically can be attributed to the above this words understanding. What is the game player to change, or the devil beast to become reality, we can for example:In reality, a lot of people will say, I am very happy now, why should I go back to the past that hard times, is, you don't have to go back to the past, but, you have to think about your happiness is given by their parents or on your own efforts, when the parents to take over your life,& kids, don't say work hard, I can give you, what I can give you&, you feel happy, although we do not return to the past that hard time, but through their own efforts to get happiness and happiness, this in any time, any society is necessary, otherwise, you can feel happiness, but you can't be happy.In a society, while most people are dependent on their parents give to life, do not struggle, for you convenient more, not to get what she wants, but if so, the society is not healthy, whole is in backwards, why the United States of America children up to the age of 18will be independent, living in the parental home to pay the rent, I think is the same reason, healthy society will not tolerate something for nothing this behavior, when you can easily get the things you want it, you will not cherish the fruits of labor, will not have the joy of success, not understanding others, all things the utility as the criterion, indifference, egoistic, have a look now rich two generations will know, you can call them& fast-food generation&.The wow society and real society is the same, because everyone wants something for nothing, this is human greed side, when Blizzard does not adhere to the fine line, and the game player 's will as the shift time of game player, the more, Blizzard give more, give more, game player requires even more, in the course of time, Blizzard training a group of more and more users, let everyone when the two rich generation, users are more and more luxurious, they get a more and more difficult to satisfy your taste blizzard, you say their how the ending will be.This initiative is to restore the normal order of Blizzard games, key not to cancel what, not to return to the60 level, please the reader to focus on the content of the post, but not the title.Thanks to Nga for this set to vote, interested friends can go to cast:[[url]/.html[/url]]{ this post recruitment of English translation volunteers, responsibilities are as follows:1, translation of this post, synchronization service game player voice to serve the United States official forum.2, simultaneous translation to serve the United States official forum game player voice to NGA forum.3, if possible, representing the country clothing game player, and us is accustomed to game player or official Blizzard staff communication.Seeing so many replies, thank you attention, please Moderators do not lock this thread, I hope Nga can give love world of Warcraft us a discussion of devil beast itself place, I'll update this post content, I would like to highlight the theme of this post:By this post, I would like to explore is the devil beast in addition to the surface equipment, experience, awards and honors, which itself is a set of internal growth and the incentive system, and now I feel the system is destroyed, the problem is not those on the surface of something, but its internal mechanism of a problem, so we first explore theAccording to Maslow's demand theory, the human needs is divided into five layers: physiological needs, security needs, social needs, esteem needs, self-actualization needs. My feeling is, previous Warcraft system naturally or half unconsciously gave me a lot to meet the demand of experience, now almost all gone, proficient in this area can discuss this question.Introduction:In fact the first generation of Warcraft designers to world system setting is very scientific, they give the devil beast king temperament and life, so it was born to conquer the people, later to deny it, so that it is in.Some people say the times changed, the mood of people, habits have changed, so the devil beast to also want to change, this is pure nonsense, the story takes place in the ancient times, it was that way, which attract us, why should it with our times, follow your habit to change.There are also many old game player said he did not want to go back to the past, I am here to call is not to restore the old game content, but feel the magic bestial lost order, to restore the system, reconstruction of the world. On the old game player, all experienced, but the new game player, this is a whole new game, world of Warcraft has given us the ultimate experience will also give them, rather than the one with other games can not different faq.The reason why it can attract so many people to play, not entirely because of fresh reasons, later also has many new games, but which one gives us such a feeling, wow inner world view is set, its ecological system, the devil beast can do bigger more, copies can be more and more, but the world view don't change, it is the one and only place, you changed, wow with other games, you can say it is not fun, it is hard to say, say it is a waste of time, but let your effort into this world, and get the sense of satisfaction, it is a unique place, don't you agree on this world, you don't like it, you integrate them, you will love it.The devil beast is the devil beast, it is created a kingdom, have their own temperament, nobody can change it, it should not cater to the masses, make you love makes you hate, it is beauty, it just gives you endless love, steal your love, but you will soon get tired of it.Apple is an obvious example, it is king, it does not need to meet anyone, others can follow it, when it will stop you over time, is also it died.Many people say that the game player now has been accustomed to the fast food model, game player mentality has changed, if you want to change it, will drain a large number of users, I want to say, if the user put the devil beast when audition to play, or loss, I do not believe that will drain the 70% user, I don't believe the game player mentality has changed, because you can't don't like classic. There may be an adaptation period, but the reconstruction of order, new coruscate youth is necessary, believe Blizzard officials won't so short-sighted,5challenge mode I think they have a reflective practice, apple in 90 time lost after Jobs lost soul, but later Jobs regression and recast the apple, and giving it deeply marked by Jobs brand, apple to lose another Jobs after more great frustration, because rebirth after making it to see the road to the future.The great walk fine line is the inevitable choice of the enterprise, because we don't need so many mediocre product, have heart classic is our dream.In addition, for many people say wow is old, I can very firmly say, a boutique, a world, not so easy to get old, world of Warcraft can become a self growth of the ecological system, it could be several generation of people willing to explore the world of fantasy.The mood is described, magic bestial personal experience:I am from70 time metaphase begins to play, what doesn't have any friends, a man comes to this world, from one to 70I spent half a year's time, I like an ignorant child into the exotic world, one point one experience it.World of Warcraft has its unique historical background and culture, it was like a beautiful picture of slowly unfold before me, with the level of improvement, to place more and more, I was surprised by the magic bestial grand, blizzard on the ancient world cultural setting and the Qi Li and magnificent, eight City eight groups eight culture eight kind of history, this is a virtual and reality world.Orgrimmar grand ancient shows the orc race conquer King Baqi, Undercity ghastly and led me into a nether world, Silvermoon gorgeous and elegant let me know the blood elves is a noble and elegant nation, Thunder Bluff simplicity leisurely reveals the Tauren stand aloof from worldly success and fame be courteous and accessible, a hill stone into Fort Railway allowing me to see a dwarf clan 's diligence and hard work, is probably the industrious overwhelmed them on the shoulder, then let them so short, the magnificent conquered my demeanor, bared. So that when the devil beast is a eight world, as language: one world, one life, a whole world of Warcraft is an ancient world, but the world is8kind of culture is divided into8 worlds, belonging to each ethnic map is independent of one small world,8culture interweave and conflict now forms of Warcraft Warcraft, follow strict world setting and task the drive, you can experience the multipolar world conflict, suffering 8cultural baptism, you will become a member of.Level twenty before you must in groups of asylum, undisturbed by the completion of the training, by your tribes nearby resident and monster fight to make their own growth as a qualified soldier, but also through the task to understand their own ethnic history and mission,Let you in the future for the tribes, after level twenty you will have to leave the tribe wings, into the dispute column soil on behalf of their group get their own honor and rewards, so the arrangement of the town in the South China Sea that they bring you a during the war, with the help of your enemy head-on confrontation, such the tug of war risk is smaller, but will take you through the seesaw battle practice their PVP skills, through the group of operations, will also allow you to establish himself as a member of the tribe of pride and as a warrior's pride.After level thirty, you will be independent, into the beautiful and dense jungle valley of thorns, trapped here, maybe that tree on the back squat for your enemy to look at fiercely as a tiger does, you must keep alert and fast to complete the task, here you can do anything, killing Yuehuo what are small case.But there is one thing you can't do, it determines your later WOW can go far, this thing from ruin, had a grandson, here and look at their comrades by gang fights, he looked away, hiding power, and, suddenly one day, the channel see his voice,& I was to keep dead, who will help me,& cried many times, you can hear his screams echo and not quite echoed in the valley of thorns in the sky, and does not rest, but useless, because his name back in a few days ago spread across the valley of thorns, this is the price, the bitter lesson.So, here you must learn to rely on your friends, and they form a close friendship, because a person is dangerous, selfish, cowardly timid, more dangerous. Comrades will become your future mission completed more favorable support, so here you must learn to be independent and interaction with others, understand the dangerous world, can form a close friendship,Many of my friends are here to know, since then we traveled across the world, I experienced in real life no matter, friendship, justice is your jungle war to learn first, there are a lot of people say I played to 70, no friends, no one to help me in it, raid, so think about your every word and action.Guerrilla warfare, warfare, attack, her group, mean, justice, revenge, in this small world, all the things you will learn, here you will grow up to level forty.If you were here survive, Congratulations, you become a qualified soldier, you must, with your mission, into the wider world, to the desolate land, to the Tanaris desert, to the desert., the customs will let you indulge, a man must go to there has, well, take a long time, finally to the desert, beautiful, straight smoke in the desert, stretch as far as eye can see, received a task, to look around, no man, experienced the Stranglethorn Vale reign of terror, finally in this beautiful desert to relax a little, ah, suddenly, a large fireball from behind you threw it, what happened, I saw nobody around ah, wait for you from the graveyard resurrection, careful observation of the surrounding environment, you know, desert sand blocked air visibility, you see your enemy is not far from behind when I was young, my mother came, more beautiful and more dangerous, this sentence can also be applied here, more beautiful place more dangerous. There is a piece of yellow sand, comrade is not easy to find you, find you, the enemy is also very easy to disappear, so on their own.The devil beast has a famous picture,60's, in Tanaris, in a sandstorm weather, a group of wolves like tribal chasing a beautiful human Knight sister, insisted to take her home. In the 70's, in turn, a knight sister chasing a group of tribes that I sent you, you know, the rider is riding discipline.Is to become a real man, hard PVP skills, I was once like a Tauren warrior war one afternoon, both to hone their own, built up a strong base.At this point, you have already grown up, have a group of friends, their own Daguai murder skill perfection in one's studies. Also, you have to go save the world. The following brief, but I soon after, in come a long way, into my in all one's born days most complex difficult to go to Yerebatan Sarnici, I saw the most beautiful princess, yes, she in mld.You can imagine my shock. Less than the Great Wall, not to what do not know their own small, the long chains, the hot magma, it is the test of a man 's heart, is a woman, we must find a good brother cling to the past, or regret, the dead can't find my way home.How have so large copy ah, the black dwarf ah, you are too great, a replica played a full three days and nights not finished, then every time I come to the Blackstone copy, all feels like the first time a kind, can not remember where to, where has not come, hear here and flame of the heart, in the sixty's, castA myriad of iron man, but I gave birth to a times, the dense bones of what I just saw in the picture, that is how a passion burning time.Summary:The reissue of this personal experience, want to sum up my70 time in world of Warcraft, what kind of experience and the experience, from this experience, you will see, the devil beast to game player growth set to route, this is its potential growth and incentive system in part, I discuss. 70 time wow has been open for a long time, so we cannot say that young. We then compared with open CTM after the game player is it right? But also in world of Warcraft through these calendar
[quote][pid=]Reply[/pid] [b]Post by 萌之哀伤 ( 16:44):[/b]无聊之极。网络游戏必然要更新版本,不断变化,每次更新必然有这种人被“绑架”。你既然玩网络游戏,你就选择了被绑架,不喜欢被绑架的可以去玩单机,永远保持着现状。[/quote]现在想绑架人的不是游戏,而是LZ
卧槽 还真人翻译的..这个时候我该用什么表情呢?
[quote][pid=][b]Post by 西恩威廉斯科特[/b]一个想玩PVP,却懒得收集PVP装备,想用PVE装备通吃的人,是不是符合你快餐玩家的定义?[/quote]这脸打的啪啪啪的...Good job

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